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April 24, 2019 at 2:00 pm in reply to: Adderal xr makes me sleepy. Anybody else has had this problem #114767
HOW well do you sleep at night?
I take Adderall xr twicea day. It’s actually the intones where I don’t feel it, but I am way more calm,able to think things through and less overwhelmed , and I don’t have to move 24-7, I have also been told I am more thoughtful and considerate. That being said, it’s one of those that will not wake me up, nor necessarily make me sleepy. It does calm by body and mind. I know adheres have trouble sleeping. Used to be on a bad sleep night, the Adderall calmed me down so I did feel sleepy, as I should have ! And I take my second xr abiut -6 hours before bed, and when it’s in fact my bedtime , I do not feel awake ! First day on it over a year ago, I actually took a nap ! For the first time in god knows how long. When added the second xr , my sleep was so good and got to bed quicker , bc I wasn’t all scattered and hyper at night. So , I’m wondering if maybe the addsrdal itself doesn’t make you sleepy, but rather the quality of your sleep may be poor? So the med calms down the adrenaline mode that an adhder is normally in ? Which for me is what causes poor sleep!
THE office is my favorite show. My boyfriend and I joked , and I said bc I AM MICHAEL SCOTT! Everything from the sugar rush he gets after getting a pretzel with all the toppings on it bc he cant decide , to him wandering around getting lost on the town! Lol —I got lost in gatlinbutg trip bc I wandered off bahah !
Also the lack of self awareess and humbling his words .
I think , as someone with severe adhd, that Michael Scott is the most relatable character I’ve ever seen haha
It is similar to vigorous cardio, but it last longer. It depends on how the type of med you try affects you though and release type. For example , focalin xr gave me a “pop” in my brain, with more euphoria , but been on addxerral xr for a year , along with it with my first r dose , I require high-dose stimulant therapy, and that med does not at all give me a euphoria pop, just calm, cool focus. As a teenager I was off meds and I literally had to exercise 4 times a day or during school three times a day, with my last session being a 6 hour gymnastics practice with an. Crazy Russian coach lol. But if I didn’t run 8 miles before school, I didn’t go. I was a straight A student , who had zero homework bc I did it all in my boring classes lol and I paid more attention ironically , adhder thing I guess. But adderral does not tie me a mind-change , I guess it just mimics the chemicals well. But yes lasts longer , so now I only have to run once a day for my legs not to be eaten alive by the bugs in my legs, and those bugs’ legs don’t get eaten alone by the bugs in their legs hahah aka bad hyperactivity , along with the other stuff. They actually call my hyperactivity akathasia. But actually exercise before my end dose helps the meds work better too ! And I require 8-9 hours sleep ! That’s how the meds most effective .
I wish more people knew the power of vigorous exercise with focus ! Studies show that it does release similar chemicals as the ADHD meds ! Just less effect 🙂
And yes I can relate with being super busy and such, after having my little girl plus work and other issues where I had to drive my boyfriend to work, and ya know pursuing all the thousands interests us adhd’ers have (lol) and not to mention my infant-like need for food and sleep, and centering myself in the AM, AND how clerical and organizing things take me forever (yet using differential calculus as a mathematician is a breeze lol). Ironic that a mathematician cannot do mental math , but A) I’m a walking paradox and B) the computer does the mental math and had the biggest short term memory ever—aka it has all I lack lol.
Anyway, bc of less time is why I love tabata! Super intense and 4-minute cycles, and actually read up some studies on it bc I do several four minute cycles , but only one is needed! Bc he’s a long trip to gym is so so hard!!
Another thing i started: my daughter is now 18 months and as hyper as I lol, but you need to watch her twenty four seven bc that girl can run and run fast!!! Add in cleaning (yuck) to my daily todos , and workouts so hard!! I had a genius idea, I’d workout as I cleaned! Jumping squats from place to place , high-knee sprits in place while I swept, burpees folding a blanket , and I will make a race out of it or a fun game too? Like how many bottles can I fit in the bottle-steamer this time lol. But she loves watching my workouts while I clean ! So three birds in one stone lol!!!!!!
And magnesium actually wakes me up in like a steady way, or at least doesn’t affect me ina. Tired way!! AND it helps heart rhythms and such!! So you could have a double-win!!!!!!! And helps reflux ! Triple win ! Ha ha
I agree with the person above , it’s important to find a doc you can trust , but if it’s another reason other than your doc assuming or worried about pill-seeking, like a heart problem , that’s understandable !! These meds effectiveness are highly contingent on metabolism , stomach acidity , etc . I once had a general psych nurse practioners, that whdn I told her vyvanse did not last (I am now in Adderall or year thank God) she immediately ripped me off it, bc assumes since I’m a recovering alcoholic that I was pill seeking, and she put me on ability and resperidol, which took away my little dopamine i had, and now I have permenant akathasia, which is tormenting hyperactivity similar to Parkinson’s!!a year later, I started seeing this amazing adhd speciality center and they treated me like a human, and guess what… I was right! My vyvanse was not working, bc of it being released in the lower GI!! And my cousin in San frnasoco found out same thing with him! And he’s on Adderall now too, and my brother just got genetic testing and they immediately took him off bipolar medication and 20 my Adderall Dr bc he also needs a higher dose!!
Anyway, is it possible your doc would do a short acting after XR wore off? I take 30 XR twice a day 7ish hours apart, and when doc added the second one (after improvement with an IR first) I now sleep 8-9 hours a night!! Bc again hyperactivity so severe is unreal, so it allows me to wind down. Bc it sounds like your issue is longevity versus potency , but docs get scared about sleep, but it helps some sleep better bc calmer and focused in evening!!
I agree to avoid all acidic stuff around time of med, but that increasing absorption , which ain’t much different than rasing your dose I think? Not sure. BUT…other than that:
I try to do intense cardio eithe rin the morning before my first dose, or right after the first dose wears off aka right before my second dose.
I love intense tabata, or high-speed middle distance running— 35-45 minutes of cardio, but it’s gotta be intense to purge out the energy in my legs … and apparently the type of exercise (intense and long-ish) raises dopamine like crazy, so when you take your led, your body has more to work with!! It actually is super similar to adhd meds. I was off meds ages 14-17, and I used exercise. BUT I HAD to do 3-4 times a DAY! I never stopped , and not bc eating disorder but that actual need. Unlike the med, the focus wears off after an hour or two. I was 5 foot 9 and 89 pounds ! Yes , that is correct !! Scary skinny but couldn’t help it!!! And before Adderall , during akathasia hell, I was 118, and after a year on Adderall I’m now 132c bc I think I’m taking better care of myself!!!
Also: make sure electrolytes balances! Eat avocados I swear(but bc vitamin c I do an hour or two after my dose).
And liquid magnesium , it tastes like hell BUt it absorbs , magnesium is nature’s Valium I swear!! Lol!!! And I think that can help med work too! And get your B vitamins , especially 6 and 12 and 1!!
So exercise , control stomach acid, and magnesium and b vitamins ..
BUT I would talk to doc about maybe instead of increasing potency , add a booster shirt acting dose for afternoons and evenings ?
Best of luck 🙂 hope I could help
Oh my! This post could have been written by me ! You described my current struggles haha! I get sick of going to the grocery daily, but planning out meals necessary! I’m struggling with my evening routine , not that I can’t sleep, but I often have so much to do and can’t prioritoze or even get a system going with meals , and a wild but amaONg 18 month old girl, things take take as long!! We just moved and had a huge schedule shift, so I know I need to be patient working back my bedtime , but it seems impossible trying to do those things daily! And I thrive off running, but like you said finding windows to do if are tough since woke hours increased ! And finances ? I must find a way to budget! My therapist whom works at the same ADHD specialty center is helping! But I am glad I’m not the only one, I feel less alone ! I’ll be following this thread and if I spaced any helpful things I’ll let ya know ?!
Sorry again too my phone screen makes it hard to type !!! I promise I know how to spell somewhat ! Haha
I don’t mean DONT MEam to negative about straterra bc the reason they have If isn’t bc it does work for someone ! But I also know that many people I know experiences that Brutal nausea and vomiting !
How long have you been on starters ? That was the first they had tried with me bc it’s non addictive aka “safe” . Well I felt like I had the worst flu of my life 24-7. They tired again later after being off meds, same thing I vomited nonstop. Adderall is what Ia
Ln and ironically I gained 5ish pounds over the year I have been prob bc im making better choices and remembering to eat and such. But straterra they finally took me off when I had lost 20 pounds in a month. No joke . And swollen cheeks . Try lepta saying “oh you’ll get used to it” prob bc they thought its better or “safer” than Adderall. Who knows. When they saw me, however , different story!!!!!
I have heard it’s nortorioia for brutal nausea too !
Few great ones I have read bits and parts (ADHD so hard time reading a lot at once lol unless I’m on a spin bike and can move my legs haha—-but ALL these books take the pressure of amd suggest to only to bits and pieces and I’ve had some for a year and refer to all the time):
“You’re life can be better” by a doc with ADHD and his “list of 3” technique is the beat being that I get stuck on indecision . He says to look at your list Nd then pick three small one steps things on an index card and do all those first then as you do one, then add one. I also just realized (after losing my phone for so so long -typical) that index cards are great no nigebooks I can’t take out the pages. I get bright colored cards 5 by 7 amd have a box to file —great no them I can decide the theme of gh later and just move versus rip out pages.
Gift of adult ADHD: covers everything from interpersonal connections to crwfiavith and helps you reframe in a unique way via interview with ceos and innovators with ADHD. The activities (I love interactive books) are so unique. One of them has you lost all your random google searches then see f theme and another I just did has you write out a question you’ve been stuck on like the next step of. Project or what ever ..THEN has u confront some sosort of junk drawer and just go through it. Then you kind of note what is in there Nd just have a brainstorming session about it and then see if my answer lies in there via using creativity! It’s amaOng bc I get the most random inspiration from the oddest things always been an outside box thinker and my AI programming and math career is perfect no yhats whya it takes!
Third: you mean I’m not lazy stupid or crazy
My friend just bought me this. Amazing. I’m a recovering alcoholic at 27, bad binge drinker and been sober a year now, and I live this book bc ut actually has. Chapter on the 12 steps in regra to AA !!? Bc they are Great for any life issue where you need to restore balance and goan. Perspective !!
Beat don luck!
So I was on focslin XR , but did not last near long enough. Tried concerta after s minth without meds while waiting to switch to a specislisf . So all focalin out of system . The concerta was awful, didn’t show any benefit and only side effects. Vyvanse was same way when I tried years ago. Vyvanse lasted 2 hours (bc of the way its absorbed it lasts very long for most , nothing for me).
The new doc decided adderral was best fit, and she was right! First time in my life I had no side effects!! Not even the “good side
effects” like wakefulness and euphoria, which is good bc less addictive potential emotionally!! For me at least…note that I consider anything (good or bad) other than the therapeutic effects to be a side effect. It was the first in my life I wasn’t constantly reminded I was “mentally impaired”. I take it (I take the XR twice a day, bc evening doses actually help sleep bc slows my hyperactivity), then I just go about my day. Freeing. I use tons of cooing, avid long distance runner and doing my tempo runs of 5-6 miles at 6. Min/mile are like the medication just don’t last as long!! Turns out those types of runs (intense and long-ish) mimic the adderral almost.
Point is, your correct. If one doesn’t work, yet another!! There is a reason they have so many chemical structures AND absorption types!! Some people don’t absorb certain release-types!!
I’ll say a prayer for ya !
Honestly, one of the HARDEST things in life is dealing with being misunderstood. Dealing with someone not accepting your heart, I so so get it. I went off adhd medication while pregnant, unexpected pregnancy. Right before actually. Lswotvhes my insurance bc tuening 26, anand had to go to a place that mostly delay with addicts, and they saw I was a recovering alcoholic, and ripped me off adhd med, had awful hyperactivity, said it was bc I was bipolar not adhd and said it was mania. I told them I didn’t think was mania bc when I didn’t sleep, I was miserable where mania you still have energy. I had to pace and rock around all day or awful pain so they put me on ability, which caused full blown akathasia, seriously awful and they said I just needed more ability, made it worse and when I said this they said I just wanted pity!! The pain in ones body with zero dopamine is unbearable!! Finally found a neurologist, but at that point I was 6 months preggo and they didn’t feel comfortable adding back adhd med after being off, so I waited. I was in so much pain and everybody thought I was faking it to eye out of work and really get out of life. That couldn’t have been further from truth. My family believes me, bc they saw the instant change !! Eap when I switched to Adderall XR! And guess what? Adding a late afternoon second dose of adderral xr helped me Sleep better!!! My boyfriend still gets bitter on and off, bc he sometimes still thinks I was faking, but he had his own issues that caused him to cats blame on everyone. He’s an alcoholic and finally got sober two months ago from DUIs, and he still doesn’t have a sponsor, and “dry drinks” are so hard to live with, he’s still blaming all his hurts on others ya know? But in first situation, many people just assumed I “grew up” with the whole drastic positive change (like your recent positive change). They wouldn’t believe it was the med no matter how much I would try to convince them I would just be left frustrated . And hopeless and that fear of being misunderstood would grow and grow. Letting go that I cannot change others views is so so so hard. I get it. But you are worth it, and you may not rwlaoE it, but you do not have to let other people’s view of you determine your worth. So so hard to do, but relying on Hod for my source of security and validation has helped me ya know?
So, in addition to very extreme ADHD, I am also a recovering alcoholic. (First treatment for alcohol withdrawal at 19 years old, I guess I ave my mom was to thank—all natives of County donegal Ireland). Anyway, the first few “rounds of sobriety attempts, my life was still a mess, even in my 12 step program that includes meetings, prayer, working the steps with a sponsor, etc. tbe 8-9tb Step, aka “amends” was so hard for me, bc my untreated adhd as destructive as active alcoholism., if not worse. Anyway, been sober for almost a year, along with simultaneously treated my adhd with adderral XR and a multiprude of cooing skills from strenuous running and yoga to iPhone Siri reminders and planners!
Anyway, this is the first time my amends are not causing me fear and pain, bc my actions finally say I’m sorry for the way I acted.
Your partner hopefully should see it was def the medication simply due to the change in YOU, but warning: it may take a bit of time.
Anyway, as far as apologizing, my best advice(what works for me):
You, your doc, and whoever seem to KNOW yes it was med side effect, BUT even though it was a cause out of your control, it still fruited actions and attitudes that hurt your partner, regardless if it was acting out of your true self or not. The best received amends I’ve made, are the ones I’ve stuck to the things I did , intentionally or not, that hurt the other. I would start with a script like .. “hey , i wanted to say when we were together and I *insert action* I think made you feel “*insert what emotions like scared frustrated sad etc*. I’m taking steps to be more *insert goal qualities*. And if there is anything i can do to make it right, I’d like to do that”. No mention of med I suggest, bc it can to others come off justifyable, eventually your partner may even say the med was def the cause of behavior changes:) and if there is backlash on what they reply, just listen and don’t interrupt is what works best in my experience, keep an open mind, we all can’t help how we feel, and justification can seem like invalidating the hurt we cause of another. When we listen to the emotions of others , it say “I care about your needs” and they see that, and usually reflect back
Best wishes !!
The chronic boredom like feeling and the always worried I’m focusing on the wrong thing is totally apart of my adhd!! Like I hesitate to start anything, out of fear it’ll be a waste on time and not lead to anything fun and innovated and imaginative, so I bounce around (usually in regards to my studying of computer programming and machine learning math stuff—self taught and have a job jn the field, but I have to learn on my own bc a six time college dropout , usually for those same reasons of feeling like a waste of time plus in tech world degrees valued less than experience). Anyway, I’ll start doing self study on my own time, and constantly start a class then say “omg this is not what I want” or “ok this is ok but what if I should be studying something better I haven’t found yet” or “this is fun but williy Be relavemt to my job” or “this is amazing, and it’s same methods as my job but application more awesome! And could be part of on one day, OR a career of my own I.e I live internet of things with healthcare and Ggenomoc data science, but do business data science now)…and I’ll be like, what if I Mercer pursue this, ala it’s a waste of time and should be doing work” and then also worry the opposite! You know how much time I waste bouncing around? Then I get angry at myself and stop altogether. Chronic impending anxiety if doing wrong things than what I want to do, and apathy thinking nothing is stimluating enough. Actuly, adding a second adderral xr j take after my afternoon run (which I take run after first wears off) helped me sleep better and be more rational! I take the second Xr at 6 Pm, asleep like a baby by midnight lol. I didn’t think I needed the med at my home life, well I was wrong. Everyone noticed I was more yhroghtful. In the past doca thought my racing barons was bc of the stimulant in the Am, and so they decreased and added strong sedatives at night and it made me worse. Who woulda though at second one and ThAT late would HeLP me sleep!! I waste less time lolli-gagging, so I don’t get as mad at myself!!!!!!! I’ve even skipped it and don’t sleep. If I miss my 6 Pm time I said “I should skip” and it kept me up until 4a bc I skipped it!!! Happened again later, and I tried to skip, and was erratic and awful adhd rebound. 8 pm, and my bf said “Becca you can’t skip it!!” Took it, asleep by 10.
You are not alone in the “fear of wasting time”. And now I know neither am I!’
July 11, 2018 at 8:48 am in reply to: Sleep Question (regards to bizarre effect of meds) #88031
Excellent!! Great article!!! This is exactly me !! I don’t feel so alone after reading aha! And it explains how my time management has been off during the day so badly too! I’m able to squeeze in deep sleep (after trial and error) since our life changing thing in my family, buttime is my big struggle , o spend and hour Lilly gagging in the gas station yesterday!! Running late more than usual! This is why! My rhythms used to be so on track, I was doing well! Now that they are not, it affects the day too!! Going to try these extra tips, and actually today more will be revealed about our circumstance, so then I can adjust 🙂 thanks again !