Daily Essential Nutrients

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    • #50431
      GML1981
      Participant

      Has anyone tried Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals for their ADHD child? I am considering for my son but was hoping to hear some honest feedback before tyring. Thank you

    • #50442
      Penny Williams
      Keymaster

      I had never heard of it and looked it up. You have to be very careful with supplements — kids with ADHD and autism seem to have more genetic abnormalities that cause side effects with medications and supplements. For instance, my son has the MTHFR polymorphism. So, folic acid and unmethylated B6 and B12 cause significant negative mood reactions. This supplement looks like it has all the methylated versions, so that leads me to believe this company probably has more knowledge about ADHD, autism, etc. My son takes several of the ingredients in this blend individually.

      MTHFR: Another Piece of the ADHD-Genetics Puzzle

      You should always talk with your doctor before giving supplements — they are not regulated like medications and there are some possible negative interactions.

      Penny
      ADDitude Community Moderator, Author & Mentor on Parenting ADHD, Mom to teen w/ ADHD, LDs, and autism

    • #50450
      GML1981
      Participant

      Hi Penny,
      Thank you for responding. May I ask how you got your son tested for MTHFR mutation? I am going to speak to my sons doctor this week and I have long list of questions to ask. I need to do more for him and am looking into all possible options.

      • #50463
        Penny Williams
        Keymaster

        We did the Neurogenomic Profile, which I believe was a cheek swab, if I remember correctly. It was a kit and was mailed in. Many people do 23 and Me for this information, because you also get a ton more information with that test.

        What’s most important is finding someone who is really knowledgable about MTHFR, which is very difficult. The integrative meds doc that suggested the test for my son and gave us the kit, really didn’t have a good understanding of what to do to address it. We actually had worse outcomes with the treatment she suggested and ending up not supplementing for it at all for two years, not knowing what to do and not getting positive results. I came back to it about a year ago, supplementing with 1-2 items at a time and very low doses, and had more success.

        Addressing the MTHFR didn’t change any ADHD symptoms for my son, but it did help with medication sensitivities and that sort of thing.

        Penny
        ADDitude Community Moderator, Author & Mentor on Parenting ADHD, Mom to teen w/ ADHD, LDs, and autism

    • #50502
      Lys
      Participant

      Looks similar to Thorne Children’s Basic Nutrients, which I just ordered but did not receive yet (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FGZG0S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). People’s reviews look positive for it, and it’s significantly cheaper, if the price I saw on the Hardy Nutritionals website is the retail price. Start with the smallest dosage you can, because a too high dose of methylfolate can give its own reactions in susceptible people. I take the Thorne grown-up B vitamin once a week and the methylated compounds do make a difference.

      If you want to go down the MTHFR rabbit hole (lots of complexity here), take a look at http://mthfr.net/. If you ever tried to go vegan and failed miserably, or if the child’s behaviour is at its best on animal protein (2 eggs every morning made a difference for mine in school behaviour and focus), chances are MTHFR is involved.

      • #50505
        GML1981
        Participant

        Thank you both. My son is newly diagnosed and I am learning so much. Overwhelmed with all the information but desperate to help him and figure out the best plan of treatment. I appreciate your input Penny and Lys.

      • #127546
        gilandsue
        Participant

        Hi Lys, how is the Thorne Children’s Basic Nutrients going? As it is almost identical, we are going to give this a try for our 9-year old. Of course, at the end of the day, price does not matter when it comes to one’s mental health…but, the Thorne product looks to be almost identical and high quality as well…so, we figured Thorne would be a good place to start.

    • #54326
      pfiagibbs
      Participant

      Anecdotal information [such as individual reports to someone about their personal experience with something] is fine. We can learn a lot from it. But from my perspective, I prefer to find out whether there is any evidence-based research on a topic.

      There’s a lot that’s been said over time, and there have been lots of promoted cures, even some called miracles, when it comes to diet/nutrition/adhd. What I wanted to find out was whether some scientific body had done what’s called a meta-review [basically what in the heck is out there and is there any statistically relevant correlation between any given diet/supplement/nutrition approach. Luckily, I just came across this just recently published meta-analysis:

      http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169277

      Forewarning: This is a scholarly, scientific article. So if you’re not used to reading scientific study results in scholarly format, the article may make your brain twist inside its cranium. [But remember, same holds true for your as when Christoper Robin told Pooh: you’re smarter than you think, so do give reading this a go, especially the recommendations and conclusion sections]. You can make an appointment with your/your child’s/etc health care provider to help you cull through the data….especially the recommendations and conclusion sections. Please do not expect your health care provider to discuss this via phone or email. An appointment really is important so you can wisely utilize the information for the particular patient. As a courtesy and to make your appointment most effective, it would be helpful to send a link to the article prior to your appointment.

    • #64818
      ayella2323
      Participant

      GML1981 did you end up trying the DEN? If so what has been the outcome so far? I am considering this for my son and everything looks promising but I’m looking for more feedback from others. Thanks!

    • #65713
      mamaeps
      Participant

      They just printed an article about a 10 week blinded study using a Daily Essential Nutrients (13 vitamins, 17 minerals, 4 amino acids) that showed a significant improvement in the group receiving the DEN over the placebo. It does not name the company that made the DEN capsule or the dose but if you link the the research perhaps it does, but you can’t see it unless you subscribe to a medical journal site.
      https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319763.php

    • #66461
      JennPimentel
      Participant

      Daily Essential Nutrients has been a game changer for our family. It has allowed my son to overcome a long list of symptoms which return when he misses a few doses. Biggest changes I notice are: reduction in aggression, better attitude, easier rebound from change in schedule, reduced to 0 arm flapping, and he sleeps better. His teacher is amazed at how he is doing this year in school because his teacher last year warned her (before he started Daily Essential Nutrients) that he would be out of control. Not one issue this year.

      • #66635
        elleche
        Participant

        I’m looking at these too – they are the brand used by Julia Rucklidge in her studies in ADHD and around 36 others (not just ADHD related).
        I am curious JennPimental are you at there recommended ADHD dose of 12 caps a day and did you monitor your child’s bloods for nutrient levels – I am concerned about how high the dose is.

    • #70142
      elleche
      Participant

      My son is almost 8 with ADHD using Ritalin 10mg 1.5 tabs a day. We’ve been using DEN for a little over a month, 12 caps a day. We’ve found it helped with managing the come downs from the Ritalin and his general emotional well being. We tried reducing his dose of Ritalin and found that he struggled with his impulse control and focus again so we returned to his regular dose. Since then we’re probably more on a 4 capsule twice a day routine and also use a high dose EPA fish oil (Nordic naturals EPA xtra) 4 caps a day. We’ve just run out of DEN and we’ve certainly seen a difference in his emotional control, melt down city. So we will go back on it, at least for another month, then I want to get blood tests to understand what optimum looks like for him. We’ve just done 23 and me genome testing and promethius which shows some SNPs that can impact vitamin D absorption, mthfr gene as he also has a SNP that may react poorly to vitamin E so I’d like to refine what he is getting and if possible save some money too.

    • #81265
      charlesjones
      Participant

      Hi, thanks for sharing the post.

    • #98233
      JennPimentel
      Participant

      The Daily Essential Nutrients uses the methylated forms of B12 and folate, so it is safe for the MTHFR genetic mutation. It is also the only multivitamin mineral supplement to date that has a double blind study on pediatric ADHD, which you can learn more about on Hardy Nutritionals website. Fyi

    • #143714
      Giamina123
      Participant

      Curious about the Daily Essential Nutrients (DEN)
      Those of you who had been using it, do you still use it? Are you working with a practitioner to monitor it’s efficacy?
      Thank you!

      • #143737
        ayella2323
        Participant

        My son has been taking them for about 2yrs now. He has never been able to fully come off of his ADHD meds while on them and I do believe they no longer work as well as they first did so we might take a break from them this summer. They are large pills and have a horrible smell so it took awhile for him to be able to take them without gagging every single day. I do think they are worth trying and I haven’t found anything comparable ingredient wise.

    • #143744
      Giamina123
      Participant

      Hi! Thank you so much for your response! Just a quick question, you are taking a break from ADHD meds or the Hardy’s? Can you tell me what positives you saw from the Hardy’s? The pills are huge and difficult to swallow.
      I cannot thank you enough for your response!!!

      • #143800
        ayella2323
        Participant

        Sorry for the confusion…we will have him take a break from Hardy’s this summer and then re-introduce again in the fall when school starts. He is not able to take breaks from his ADHD meds-we’ve tried before during the summer and it was not good. I do feel like in the beginning when he first started taking Hardy’s he was more focused, relaxed, and didn’t have such a hard crash from the Vyvanse in the afternoon and evening. However, we are not really seeing those benefits anymore so hopefully taking a break over the summer and restarting them will help them to work again. We tried just the Hardy’s on weekends last summer for a couple of weeks and it was awful so he had to get back on the ADHD meds combined with Hardy’s.

    • #143807
      Giamina123
      Participant

      Thank you so much! The pills are huge and the powder tastes awful! It’s so confusing with the information on their website with respect to Hardy’s and ADHD medication. Finding the right fit can be a challenge from everything I have read in respect to ADHD meds. Navigating through it all is a process. On top of it all the constant questioning and doubting is stressful. I appreciate your candidness.

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