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15 Sep 2008 @ 1:35 PM
Kara_MD Join Date: Thu 17th Jul 2008
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Toilet Training and School

What happens when your ADHD child is not potty trained by kindergarten? When my son was younger, my MIL and others (I still hear it from others) used to tell me don't worry, none of them go to kindergarten with binkies or diapers, but I am now learning that is not always true. My son will turn 4 in a few weeks and we have made very little progress. He will pee almost anytime you take him to the potty, but after doing this for many months (at least six) it still does not occur to him to ask someone to take him or to go to the bathroom when he needs to, so he will just go in his pants. With poop we have only been able to grab him a couple of times and get him to the potty before he finishes or starts, but most of the time he just tells us after or we notice he needs to be changed. He is just not getting it, and because he is very behind in his language skills (I estimate his language skills are around that of a 2 or maybe 2 and a half year old) we can't really discuss this with him, though we try, tell him to tell someone, etc. He knows the poop goes in the potty, but because of what we have showed him he thinks it goes from diaper or underpants to potty. He does not seem to care about being a big kid. He is not getting this even though he likes and has even watched the videos and can read the potty books on his own (obviously his language comprehension skills are far behind his reading skills). He goes crazy if we try to force him to sit for too long (he does sit on it sometimes and read), so I can't make him sit on the potty for hours or even 30 minutes while we wait, plus he is not regular so the chances of catching him wouldn't be great anyway. Further, even if we managed to do this, there would be no point since he would just go in his pants once he was back at daycare - he's peed in the potty hundreds of times and he still doesn't understand to go to the bathroom or tell someone when he has to pee, so I can't see it would be any different with poop.

So, what happens if we can't get him trained over the next two years? Sending him to school in a diaper and having him sit in his pee and poop all day can't be the right answer (plus he'll never keep his hands out of his pants all day). Plus socially I think not being trained and going in his pants will make him a social outcast for the rest of his public school career. And, I don't think the teacher would put up with that. Would I have to hire someone to sit int he classroom, take him to the bathroom to pee and change him when necessary? Would the school district have someone tutor him at home a couple of hours a week like they do with the really violent and troubled kids? I can't investigate this because if my husband found out he would be very angry that I am being negative again about this whole potty training thing and blowing it out of proportion, but I don't know of any other four-year olds who are not trained and I am starting to get really concerned. Can anyone offer any insights? I know others with ADHD kids have had trouble in this area. My son is not on medication yet but we are starting to try one later this week.

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15 Sep 2008 @ 2:10 PM Reply # 1
Anni Join Date: Thu 25th Oct 2007
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Potty Training

Hi Kara:

What a great question... I couldn't find any information in the ADDitude archives about toilet training a child with ADHD or other special needs. But I did scare up a few links to other web sites that might be helpful to you or to other parents facing this challenge:

Potty Training Children with Special Needs

Potty Training Concepts

Epinions discussion on potty training

I hope this helps!

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15 Sep 2008 @ 3:00 PM Reply # 2
LISAB Join Date: Fri 15th Aug 2008
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toilet training woes

I'm right there with you. My son is four and a half. He can go on the potty but does not do so on a regular basis. He is lacking in other self-help skills as well, such as dressing himself. I am really trying to work on this with him. It is really frustrating and sometimes I wonder if he will ever get it. He is not lacking in verbal skills but has issues with aggression as well. I wonder if I will even be able to find a preschool that will take him.

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16 Sep 2008 @ 10:01 AM Reply # 3
dcmommy Join Date: Thu 1st May 2008
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My son turned 5 the end of July and we are still working hard at getting him to use the toilet consistently. He was diagnosed with ADHD last year and is on medication. While it helps a lot with some of the other symptoms, we still struggle with toilet training. We thought he was nearly trained at 3-3 1/2 but the progress stopped. He has been in preschool since he was two and, until last year, it didn't affect school too much because he was there less than 3 hours. Last year, however, after trying to send him in underwear, the teacher asked me to start putting him in pullups again because he was having too many accidents and they were having to take too much time away from class to change his clothes (they would take the kids to the restroom once during class). He would literally be sitting on the "reading rug" and just pee. It didn't seem to embarrass him. He wouldn't tell anyone he needed to go or even after the fact. It was frustrating and heartbreaking. We became more diligent at home - making him go every hour - in an attempt to keep him dry. He rarely pooped in his pants but that became more frequent also. If he's outside playing or at a friends house or whatever, if you don't tell him to go use the restroom, he will wet himself. I've talked to the pediatrician, we've seen a behavior therapist and we've seen a child psychiatrist (as well as researching on my own on the internet and in books). There doesn't seem to be an answer short of him "outgrowing" it. The consensus pretty much is that you shouldn't punish the child or make too big a deal out of it in general because that can prolong the problem. We too, face kindergarten next year. We put him in a 5 year old preK program this year which meets every day but only for 2 1/2 hours, hoping that one more year will make a difference (both with the ADHD and potty issues). My son is not delayed in any other area - learning or physically. He is a very bright, active child. The child psychiatrist I've taken him to recommended another child psychiatrist that he felt might be able to help us. We have an appointment next month. I am considering a pediatric urologist just to rule out anything physical. His urinalysis tests always come back ok. Also, I have to say, that his teachers this year have been wonderful. They don't allow pullups at school and are willing to go the extra mile to work with him and be sure he goes to the restroom a couple of times during class. He is proud when he comes home dry - which he has done every day for the two weeks they've been in school. Also, just as an FYI, my son has NEVER been dry at night. Even when he was much younger and appeared to be progressing in potty training - he always woke up wet in the morning. We're trying not to lose hope and to stay positive. Nobody wants their child to suffer at school and be made fun of. ADHD is a struggle and challenge all its own - to have potty training issues at this age on top of it can be devastating. Thanks for sharing.

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23 Sep 2010 @ 2:06 PM Reply # 4
sarajenjo Join Date: Thu 23rd Sep 2010
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I found this thread from 2008 -- I am struggling with the same problem. How did your children do? How did kindergarten go? Any advice?

My son is 4, ADHD (among other things). His church preschool is about to kick us out b/c he is having toilet accidents every day.

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23 Sep 2010 @ 3:49 PM Reply # 5
Kara_MD Join Date: Thu 17th Jul 2008
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Toilet training

Hi, I posted the first thread above regarding my son not being trained by almost four. Well, we kept working with him as much as we could; although he never became regular he did start to poop more in the evening when we had him sitting on the potty as practice, although if he had to go another time he would poop in his pull up. But then, all of the sudden, when he was four and a half, one evening after dinner he paused his video, went into the bathroom, and sat down to poop! I could not believe it! After two weeks of that, we switched to underwear during the day and he had one or two accidents a year since then. I am still amazed! We kept him in pull ups at night until he asked not to wear them anymore, though at that point he had been dry during the night for a long time so this was not an issue. On the good side, once he was trained, that was it. For the most part, there is no running to bathrooms at the store because he waits until the last minute, and he seems to have a bladder of iron - he can go hours and stay dry, and at night we let him drink and he not only wakes up dry, he can be up for an hour or two before he goes! I realize we were really lucky about how this all worked out. But, I also realized that he just was not ready at 3 and a half like most kids are, but he was ready a year later. I regret the "potty weekend" at three and a half and getting so crazy when we know ADHD kids are usually a year or two behind. Luckily I can't speak to the kindergarten issue and his daycare at the time (unlike the prior one, which gave this as a reason to kick him out), was wonderful while we were going through this. I'm afraid I have no magic answers, other than don't push too hard, especially before they are a little older before the norm. Good luck!

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